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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10261979-cc_CCv0001.pdf MINUTES: of an adjourned regular meeting of the City Council, City of Redla held in the Council Chambers, Safety Mall, 212 Brookside Avenue, e October 26 , 1979, at 3 :00 P.M. PRESENT Oddie J. Martinez, Jr. , Mayor _ Chresten M. Knudsen, Vice Mayor Charles C. DeMir not expired; or have not started construction. This formula applied to the Franklin School district, with addition of 68 children for this year ' allotment of 450 dwelling units, brings this school ' s total enrollment in , 1982 to 944 students. He added that by using this projection in each elementary school , by 1982 there would be insufficient capacity to i handle the student population even with bussing. Mr . Knudsen affirmed that using the figures the schools are providing, there is indeed a problem and he believes the Council should address the problem and not make any allocations at this time, but instead work out a solution. He mentioned a bill before the legislature and efforts being ;; made by the County Board of Supervisors. Mr . Knudsen added that he did not believe it fair to expect the Council to work out the figures of what is maximum capacity or what is over- crowded capacity, but rather the City Council should take the School District' s word, the P.T.A. ' s, and the various groups that so state. He recommended that the City assist in whatever way it could, by ordinances, by a moratorium on building, or by allocations . He then moved to make no allocations until a solution is found; to urge the School Board to work to immediately resolve the problem, and -to seek assistance from the State Legislature and the County Board ofSuper- visors . Councilman DeMirjyn requested that Mr . Knudsen leave out of his motion Application B, the adult mobile home project, because this project would have no bearing on impaction of the schools in any way. In answer to Mr. Knudsen' s question, Planning Director Schindler stated that the property development standards are different from an adult park than for a family park. Mr. Knudsen stated that he would omit this application from the motion as lone as it is an adult park that does not generate students . Mr. DeMirjyn replied: "With that, I will second the motion. " To Mr . Elliott ' s questions about a time limit, Mr . Knudsen agreed that there should be one. CityManager Christiansen reminded Council that the 1980 allocation must be submitted to the City by January 15 and .reviewed by the Council by May 15 . Mr. Schindler added that the "R" initiative allows 450 units per year. The Coucilmembers then discussed possible developments at length informally. Mr. Knudsen then stated : "For the motion before us , let' s set the date for January 15, 1980 . " Mrs. Riordan then spoke of the housing report and the 1970 census, stating that in 1970 there were 12, 342 housing units in Redlands and that 5, 663 building permits have been issued since; that in 1970 there were 12, 2807 students total enrollment in the district, and that October 5 reports a total of 10, 280 students districtwide, pointing out nnis morion. d -c-corney ivcrins rup.L.Leut LNUI 1 0U_L Lt�V� ot__I Ul Luli It UL Ordinance No. 1680 gives the Council power to accept the finding o situation of impaction. " Asked to repeat the motion, City Clerk Moseley read: "I move to ma allocation today, to let the Unified School Board get to work and a solution to the problem, to ask the County Board of Supervisors the members of the Legislature; that we make no allocation until w an answer. " Mr. DeMirjyn added, "We do not include the adult mobi home project. " Requesting allocations today: Mr. Robert Wagner, Post Office Box Redlands, who stated that the people who have proposed development waited patiently and have done through the process , were told they have the allocations a month ago, have an investment in the common have employees working in this community, and a delay is costing m He further stated that school boundaries are adjusted every year, that this is an injustice to people who make their livlihood from building industry within the community. Mr. Bob Nastase of Kroll Industries, 521 Mountain Avenue, Upland, questioned the statistics and apportioning; stated that he felt th School District is blackmailing the Council and holding up develop by improper apportioning; referred to the 2 , 000 less students than 1970; added that there was never a moratorium in 1970; and reminde Council that the study committee did not find a condition of impar Mr . DeMirjyn brought the information that the City of San Diego cc a study which found that to satisfy the educactional needs of the munity, a fee of $5, 100 per household should be charged. He added if these few months are going to make a difference where the State going to come up with the money, Council cannot put this burden on 40, 000 people "we represent. " fie reminded Council that it is thei responsibility to furnish adequate police and fire protection, and the more houses there are, the more money must be spent for protec This , he said is deeper than impaction and reminded Council that f been speaking of the impaction for the schools on the northside fc last year and one-half. Mr. John Moore of Parkwest Development explained that with all the requirements necessary for approval , even if these allocations wer awarded today, not one could be processed within the next six mont added: "You have basically stopped construction in Redlands for F a year , maybe one and one-half, or possibly two years; I would lik to consider this. " Jim Flicks, dicks and Bartwick, expressed concern that several of f firms ` tracts which already have tentative approval with expiratic Mr. Norman Langley, 222 East Olive Avenue, Redlands, civil engineer, commented that he believed every application is a special case; that the applicants had a verbal agreement with the City starting with the imple- mentation of Proposition "R, " through the extensions that have been taken by the City for various reasons; and that we have come to this meeting today for execution of the verbal contracts that we made through the revisions and recommendations of the Planning Commission. Kelly Hamilton, 8725 Colima Road, Whittier, has been building in Redlands for two and one-half years. He declared that the school program was discussed a year ago; that if he could see an answer to the school problem by postponing until May, he would be for it, but that would only be postponing the problem. He stated that he has agreed to pay a $1, 500 per unit fee for the school program; added that he has a large investment : in Redlands; and urged Council to address the solution today. i in answer to Mrs . Riordan' s question, he replied that he had signed a slip with the school district stating that he would pay one-thousand- whatever-it-was per unit, and then the Schools "pulled out of the deal . " He repeated that today he finds that we are no further than we were in September and does not feel that it is fair. He urged Council , in the next thirty days, to work out a program that would be right and equal for t all. Councilman Riordan stated that she feels the developers should be offered 1 an alternative and that the School Hoard has specified a fee and sent it to Council in a resolution. Mr. Doug Goodwin of Associated Engineers pointed out the pattern of resolving a school crowding problem, then being faced with an insuffi- ciency of police, fire and disposal facilities; adding that it is human nature to respond to only those things that are problems right now. Speaking in favor of the motion were: Mr. Jim Meeth of 455 South Eureka Street who stated that throughout the meeting, the Council has been talking about school and matters "that should properly be before another legislative body. " Fie urged that one reason that this motion would serve the purpose is to try to get commuicaction going on a one-to-one basis as two equals, between those two legislative bodies in resolving one of the two things not being addressed here this afternoon - whether or not the City Council or the School Board has the final say in what impaction is . If there is a disagreement on this impaction issue, then a meeting on a one-to-one basis between those individuals is a first step that is needed to resolve the problem. He added that to go ahead with allocations and then become enmeshed in complications would "create more problems for both bodies than anybody in the City really wants . " Mrs. Phyllis Williams, 31416 Highview Drive, a Redlands School Board individuals lest sales and restated his 1982 maximum student figure The question was called for and the vote was as follows : Vote AYES . Councilmembers DeMirjyn and Elliott; Vice Mayor Knu NOES . Council e ber Riordan ABSTAIN: Mayor Martinez Before casting his vote, Councilman Elliott said that his vote was to decide this , that a hung vote is not the answer; that he does n the motion as far as the entire allocation is concerned, but the r that he votes "yes" is because it is a motion to delay until Janua 1980. He believes Council will be in the same position on January and they are actually delaying a building moratorium within the Ci of Redlands which will occur on or about January 15 . Be stated: cast a 'yes' vote in favor of the motion because it does carry it January 15, 1980. Councilman Riordan then requested that Council address the dollar approved by the Board of Trustees to mitigate this impaction in or to give the developers an alternative option. She moved as follo would like to make a motion that our staff and ourselves study this make this option hopefully available to those interested in buildi before the date of January first, because we have to fall into anc allocation year, and I think this allocation has to be made prior January first, and I think that option should be made available tc The Mayor stated that he would second the motion if "you would add your motion, that we, as Mr. Hamilton has suggested, within the ne thirty days, with the School. Board, come up with solutions not onl the amount of the allocation, but other factors that have been mer this afternoon. " Mrs . Riordan replied that she was not sure that she understood, bu would by November 30 be all right if it is possible? She included in her motion. Councilman DeMirjyn stated tha he did not believe this had been to in court. Mrs . Riordan replied there is a case in Shasta County t think is going to resolve this. With the approval of her second, Mrs. Riordan retracted her motior "move that Council ask our staff, specifically the City Attorney ' s to study the proposition of allowing the builders to pay a fee to School District in order to be able to develop during the allocati year of 1979, and to report back to Council at the next regular me November 6 . " In answer to Mr . Elliott' s question about time, Attorney Atkina re that they will do the best they can. Mayor Martinez seconded the Before calling for the questions , Vice Mayor Knudsen stated that t NOES : Councilmember DeMirjyn; Vice Mayer Knudsen ABSTAIN: None Before adjourning this meeting, Mayor Martinez expressed the hope that it is made public that this Council has indicated "that it is very willing', and hopefully within the next thirty days we will have quite a bit of dialogue with our Board of Trustees so that we can come up with some solution. " To Mrs . Williams, he added, "I hope that those of your, Mrs. Williams, will carry this back to your body that we are willing and ready to meet with you at any time that it is convenient for everyone concerned..'," Councilman Riordan: "May I ask a question. We excluded the mobile home park, but technically do we have to make a motion to Clive then the allocation?" Reply in the background not audible. Mrs . Riordan continued: "I don' t know, if that's sufficient, fine. I 'm just raising a parliamentary question. " The meeting then adjourned at 4 : 40 B.M. Next regular meeting , November 6 ,;:° 1979. Mayor of ,h C t 0 Re ,,4hds w� � r k 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0